Accidental Trade - How to Report Someone? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Trub · Jul 13, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by blackstarling

I had posted a WTB in Lion's Arch for green dye.

oh man.......

Dude.
Erm, you know there is a dye merchant in Lions Arch....right?
What, you were trying to save maybe 25gp, and had over 75k in your inventory?
I am speechless.
Just hope you learned a valuable lesson......

Scorpion Boy · Jul 13, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Same thing happened to me... Was selling 40 shards and accidently put up 40 ectos hehe.
Ah well I quit playing a while ago and i still got some ectos laying around I guess you can have 'em. I'll try to catch you online tomorrow.

AKB48 · Jul 13, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Soz to hear the story, but you only got yourself to blame, don't smoke cigarettes next time playing.

majikmajikmajik · Jul 13, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

All in all, there is nothing WE can do. you wont get your gold back, try to be more careful with your trades.

crazybanshee · Jul 13, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

I agree with other posters. Sucks to be you, but there's nothing anet or anyone can do. You screwed up, he didn't scam you. I've been in situations where people have given me too much, either way more money or extra ecto/gems etc on trade. I'll give em back. Why? Cause it's a game, and I'm honest. This person isn't. Nothing you can do.

dilan155 · Jul 13, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

sucks mate, happens to the best of us, best you can do is learn from it and double check everything from now on.

Gift3d · Jul 13, 2009, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Report yourself for being so incredibly stupid and careless.

jiggles · Jul 13, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Lucky him. I would've done the exact same thing.

Targren · Jul 13, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by blackstarling

Look, if you think I'm an idiot, say so. I think everyone on this thread including me will agree. Don't skirt the issue with sarcasm.

Ok. You're an idiot.

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I don't think it's unacceptable to hope for common decency in gaming. It might be wishful thinking, and it might be a lost cause, but it's still my right to attempt to pursue amends.

Unacceptable to hope for? No. Unreasonable, yes. There is no rule that says people have to make up for your screw ups, or even not be total wastes of flesh. You cannot force someone not to be a dick. The guy you were trading with is obviously a dick. Sucks to be you.

Only one person did anything wrong. Punishing him further than the loss of 75k is just cruel. There is no one who needs to make "amends."

iVendetta · Jul 13, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I do not mean to question your honesty, but if 'accidental trades' were to be reversed, the reports would pile up with junk like this and profiteering would soar. What I'm trying to say is that due to your negligence, you lost that 75 platinum and since there is no 'reverse-trade' system, ANET is simply not going to sympathize for your loss and hand you 75 platinum. Good luck though.

Messy · Jul 13, 2009, 10:57 PM // 22:57

I was there when you were asking in all chat for people to PM this guy, who was offline. It sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. I guess it is part of everybody's gaming experience, but just learn from it so it hopefully doesn't happen again. Be more careful, double check, leave your gold in Storage and just take as needed, and double check again before you submit.

I'm not sure there is anything you can report. Technically, he didn't scam you, it was your mistake. I would give it a shot anyway.

Ignore the trolls that enjoy rubbing it in when they see people upset over something.

magao · Jul 13, 2009, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by T3hD1sTuRb3D

I remember one time when i was leveling in Pre-Searing, i found a black dye. I did the usual jumping around, acting all excited and what-not. I picked it up but i was low on inventory space. I quickly found a merchant and started selling things willy-nilly just to get some space. What I didn't realize, is that i sold my black dye as well for 1g.

The way I prevent this from happening is to have a non-sellable item in the first position of my 3rd inventory bag. Anything that I don't want to get sold to the merchant goes after that item. That way I can't accidentally click through and accidentally sell it.

And to the OP - you were careless, and unfortunately got someone who decided to take advantage of your carelessness. I'm sure you won't be that careless again ...

If you need to make the money back, farm items for Nicholas (not this week though - Charr Hides are too easy to get and will be worth nothing). Over the past 2 months I've made over 1000K farming for Nicholas (when you include drops, etc as well) - and that's without spending huge amounts of time at it.

blackstarling · Jul 13, 2009, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

No offense, but ... it's just and only your fault. You can't blame the man for not giving it back to you. 'Honesty' in trading doesn't exist, there is only an offer, deal and bargain scenario. There is no such a thing as 'scam' unless someone uses trade hack to force you to trade, but it isn't the case. If anything, I would hand you a 3 day ban for filling up a report on non-bannable offense and for sheer stupidity.

Your logic is flawed. According to you, I am the only one at fault. However, it is not possible to make a trade without a trading partner. Thus, I could not have traded without his participation. If I could not have traded, I could not have made this mistake. Long story short: This case could not have existed without concurrent participation from both parties.

You are wrong, honesty in trading does exist. Whether or not it is common is mostly a matter of chance. The game has built in mechanisms to prevent players from being exploited or from making mistakes like I did. (For example, showing when a trade has been changed and having a 'Make Offer' button separate from the 'Accept' button. My inattention surpassed these fail-safes. If these mechanisms did not exist, some players would still participate in 'honest' trades. Some players would not. Saying honesty in trading does not exist is saying that every player who participates in and has participated in trades is deceitful. Such a claim is unfounded and illogical. (For instance, I guarantee that close friends are very likely to make honest trades whether or not there is a chance of exploiting each other.)

I never claimed to have been scammed. My claim is that I had an interaction with a player who lacks decency. On the note of forcing a trade however - Inasmuch as I was not forced to trade, neither was he. This also points to my original point - I could not have failed in this case without his active participation.

Regarding your proposed solution: Banning players who are taken advantage of due to lowered defenses is like sending pickpocket victims to jail for the night. It doesn't address the problem. Sure, the victim is more likely to protect themselves in the future, but that won't stop the perpetrator from doing the same thing to someone else. (Also of note: the fact that the victim was taken advantage of at all is probably enough to make them be more careful in the future. Why bother punishing them further?) Something important to consider: There is no minimum age limit to play Guild Wars. Players younger than 18 years may be present if a parent or guardian accepts the terms of service for them. If I was 10, would your judgment stand? Would you ban a 10 year old who used support channels to try to recoup their lost gold? It's a rhetorical question that I believe addresses an important point.

I submitted a ticket through NCSoft requesting that they aid me in retrieving the money I mistakenly traded. I did not send up a 'report' in the way that it seems you think. I did not ask that the player be banned or even admonished. In the request for assistance, I admitted my mistake and asked for their help in the matter. I do not believe that NCSoft has ever discouraged submitting support tickets unless it is for a bannable offense. Nowhere in the Rules of Conduct, Terms of Use or the User Agreement does it forbid such communication. Thus there is no basis for banning or even punishing someone attempting to find a peaceable solution to an unfortunate situation. Aside from the lack of legal ramifications - it is not socially acceptable to punish a victim, regardless of the reason that they were exploited - "sheer stupidity" or not.

The Guild Wars Rules of Conduct states in number one: "While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason." Based on this statement, I have the right to expect that other players will allow me to enjoy the game and that they will not cause me distress. Even though these statements are very broad, common sense dictates that I am not wrong for attempting to find a better end result. You can try to use the last sentence about reporting players against me, but I'll just reference the first part of this rule again.

I screwed up. It happens. If I get my money back, sweet. If I don't, oh well. I hope that whenever I interact with other players, they are fair and honest. More than that though, I hope this will teach me to pay more attention when there's something at stake. I don't like your opinion and I hope that it changes but I've accepted that I don't have control over you just as I don't have control over the player who ran off with an extra 74,925 gold. Maybe one day you'll be judged by your own gavel and then you'll rethink your stance. Maybe not.

The moral of this story: Learn from your(my) mistakes. Treat others as you would like to be treated and you might set a good example for other to follow. Add the rest of the jerks to your ignore box.

The Air Revenger · Jul 13, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by blackstarling

I traded this guy 75 PLATINUM for 1 vial of green dye.

I just traded years worth of goods for this money

75k isnt alot of money most people could make that in a day or even less.

And also your money is gone, your fault nothing anet will fix.

blackstarling · Jul 13, 2009, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Trub

Dude.
Erm, you know there is a dye merchant in Lions Arch....right?
What, you were trying to save maybe 25gp, and had over 75k in your inventory?
I am speechless.
Just hope you learned a valuable lesson......

LOL! I'm a woman! What do you expect? I cut coupons for 25 cents off a 10 dollar item.....

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Originally Posted by Messy

I was there when you were asking in all chat for people to PM this guy, who was offline. It sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. I guess it is part of everybody's gaming experience, but just learn from it so it hopefully doesn't happen again. Be more careful, double check, leave your gold in Storage and just take as needed, and double check again before you submit.

I'm not sure there is anything you can report. Technically, he didn't scam you, it was your mistake. I would give it a shot anyway.

Ignore the trolls that enjoy rubbing it in when they see people upset over something.

On the bright side, as many have already noted - it's going to be hard for me to make this same mistake twice! As far as the Trolls... gives me something to do while dinner is in the oven and an outlet to practice my profession. LOL... thanks for being a peach.

blackstarling · Jul 13, 2009, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by The Air Revenger

75k isnt alot of money most people could make that in a day or even less.

And also your money is gone, your fault nothing anet will fix.

Whoops, that was misleading wasn't it? What I meant by that was that I had saved up all sorts of rare and pricey stuff since 2006 when I started playing, not that it was equivalent to what someone would earn in a few years. Sorry!

gondoran · Jul 14, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

First off, Sorry u got burned..the guys an ass..I know u don't HAVE to be honest and decent when trading, but I have always found that u have more return customers if u are. Second point; just cuz to some ppl 75k isn't alot doesn't mean that everyone feels that way...I think 75k is a bit of money to have stolen...Not everyone out there are farmers, so money is harder to come by for them. Third point; Just cuz u think the amount of money is of no consequence doesn't mean that the jerk was in the right to steal from this person...

Just my two cents worth

the Puppeteer · Jul 14, 2009, 12:22 AM // 00:22

you brought this on yourself not wanting to buy the dye at the trader

Need More Donuts · Jul 14, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47

I hate to be mean but it's your own fault you lost that money
That person should have given it back but sadly most people aren't that kind
Welcome to the real world......

Shadowhaze · Jul 14, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by xron

I always keep all my moneyin the chest and only take out what I need.

This helps free up for trades and stops silly mistakes like this.

I do the same.

But reallly, people that see that should be honest about it. Sadly the game and world is full of sorry so and so's.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#31
Messy huh? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila Guild: Guildless Profession: R/	I was there when you were asking in all chat for people to PM this guy, who was offline. It sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. I guess it is part of everybody's gaming experience, but just learn from it so it hopefully doesn't happen again. Be more careful, double check, leave your gold in Storage and just take as needed, and double check again before you submit. I'm not sure there is anything you can report. Technically, he didn't scam you, it was your mistake. I would give it a shot anyway. Ignore the trolls that enjoy rubbing it in when they see people upset over something. __________________ HABLO ESPA??OL

Jul 13, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26	#22
Scorpion Boy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005	Same thing happened to me... Was selling 40 shards and accidently put up 40 ectos hehe. Ah well I quit playing a while ago and i still got some ectos laying around I guess you can have 'em. I'll try to catch you online tomorrow.

Jul 13, 2009, 09:38 PM // 21:38	#23
AKB48 Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: みやき町 Profession: Mo/A	Soz to hear the story, but you only got yourself to blame, don't smoke cigarettes next time playing.

Jul 13, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#24
majikmajikmajik Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SATown~Tx Guild: Guild Hopper! Profession: R/	All in all, there is nothing WE can do. you wont get your gold back, try to be more careful with your trades.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#25
crazybanshee Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Look out! Profession: E/	I agree with other posters. Sucks to be you, but there's nothing anet or anyone can do. You screwed up, he didn't scam you. I've been in situations where people have given me too much, either way more money or extra ecto/gems etc on trade. I'll give em back. Why? Cause it's a game, and I'm honest. This person isn't. Nothing you can do.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15	#26
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	sucks mate, happens to the best of us, best you can do is learn from it and double check everything from now on.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#27
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	Report yourself for being so incredibly stupid and careless.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34	#28
jiggles Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2007 Profession: N/	Lucky him. I would've done the exact same thing.

Jul 13, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52	#30
iVendetta Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Where no man has ever gone before. Guild: Syndicate Nightmare [SyN]	I do not mean to question your honesty, but if 'accidental trades' were to be reversed, the reports would pile up with junk like this and profiteering would soar. What I'm trying to say is that due to your negligence, you lost that 75 platinum and since there is no 'reverse-trade' system, ANET is simply not going to sympathize for your loss and hand you 75 platinum. Good luck though.

Jul 14, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#37
gondoran Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Guild: Heroes At Large Profession: W/Mo	First off, Sorry u got burned..the guys an ass..I know u don't HAVE to be honest and decent when trading, but I have always found that u have more return customers if u are. Second point; just cuz to some ppl 75k isn't alot doesn't mean that everyone feels that way...I think 75k is a bit of money to have stolen...Not everyone out there are farmers, so money is harder to come by for them. Third point; Just cuz u think the amount of money is of no consequence doesn't mean that the jerk was in the right to steal from this person... Just my two cents worth

Jul 14, 2009, 12:22 AM // 00:22	#38
the Puppeteer Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2007	you brought this on yourself not wanting to buy the dye at the trader

Jul 14, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47	#39
Need More Donuts Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Profession: D/W	I hate to be mean but it's your own fault you lost that money That person should have given it back but sadly most people aren't that kind Welcome to the real world......